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Offline Chihua-ku

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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2009, 09:34:57 AM »
It seems you are enjoying yourself, Gambatte, and that is what matters. MA should be fun. The moment it stops being fun, it is when we usually give up.

And by everyone's comments, it seems I should give judo a try. I feel its taylor made for me... But not yet. I still have a looonnnngggg way to go on my chosen art.
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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2009, 06:34:35 PM »
Hello To Everyone...Have Been Reading The Past few Posts And Have Some  Advice....Relax..And Do What You  Have To Do To Get Below Oppenents Center of Gravity To  Do Throws...Judo Was Made For Everyone! Small,Large,Tall,Short...Does Not Matter...Read A Lil About The Creator Of Judo.....Hope This Helps.

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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2009, 11:47:50 AM »
Sounds painful!  I've had to do ground work in my dojo, and I know how demanding it is on the whole body.  It's a good thing that you are coming from a previous Martial Arts background to give you a foot up on it.
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Offline Gambatte Karate

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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 12:32:04 PM »
I wish there was a way to post this video I have. It's on tape, and I have no way to transfer it to the net. :( It is a video of me at the US Open in Orlando competing in Self Defense. I did a whole fight scene with 4 of my students. I was the center, and they were all attacking me. One of them was about 5'9" and about 300lbs. The choreography I wrote required me to throw them over my shoulder when they tried to hit me with a stick. I always had simply done a hip throw before this competition. This time around though, I dropped the knee, and over the top they went. Needless to say, the judges and everyone else in attendance was VERY surprised. Especially since it was on a raised stage, and the resulting "BOOM!" was very attention grabbing.

What I'm getting at is this: I know how to adjust for my physical shortcomings (bad back, too tall, etc etc) but when just learning the technique, I have to do it according to the way the instructor wants...Heck, when TESTING and teaching, I need to do it how the instructor wants. But when I teach it at MY school, I'll likely modify it.  ;) And THIS is how martial arts evolves.
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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 10:37:50 AM »
I think that in all of the jujutsu-based arts, including judo, many techniques are more appropriate for certain body types than for others. Of course, the technique has to be appropriate to the situation, too.

It's always harder to do a full throw (hip, shoulder, neck) on a person who is shorter than you, because as you've figured out, you have to get below his center of gravity to get him to go over. That means you really have to crouch by bending your knees. If the person is heavy, too, that makes it even more difficult. If you're older and have aching knees, like me, these are usually suboptimal techniques.  :D

The sweeps, reaps, trips and drops (think any technique with the word "otoshi" in its name) tend to be easier for taller people. In the clip that gambatte posted, you can see how easy it is for the taller guy to unbalance his opponent backward and to the corner.

Sometimes against a shorter opponent, you can drop to one knee to throw. In addition to getting you below their center of gravity, it actually accelerates the throw - to their detriment.

When teaching in a self-defense context, I usually advise taller people to think of other techniques besides hip and shoulder throws when they're up against a shorter, heavier opponent. It just makes sense - try to use a technique that is best suited for the particular situation.
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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2008, 10:16:49 AM »


OTOH, I have found some techniques, like the major outer reaping throw (osoto geri?) easier because I'm tall.
This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgjfBnTMn1c I haven't learned the "proper way" to do this one yet. :( But it doesn't look TOO difficult.

But I learned this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SuAzlYzpJk&feature=related

And this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gzk4M3OA0U&feature=related

And this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpE9TREP9ys&feature=related

There were more...but those were the only ones I could find on youtube.

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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2008, 01:28:29 AM »
Sensei Mack also said he had problems with he took judo because of his height.  Not much of a problem for lil' old me, but then, I prefer to throw the big guys on the ground to get them down to my level... ;D

And yes, I know of which sensei you speak of GK.
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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 11:09:38 PM »
When we do judo techniques in class, getting my hip under people is very hard.  Most people in my class are MUCH shorter than I am and often heavier, too.

OTOH, I have found some techniques, like the major outer reaping throw (osoto geri?) easier because I'm tall.
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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 10:23:53 PM »
Yes, I think it is more geared toward verticaly challenged people. I found that when I went to do the half hip and the full hip throws, I had a hard time getting "under" my partner in order to get the proper leverage. And all the people in the dojo are shorter than me. I figure if I can become successful in it, then I can dominate it.  ;)
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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 08:34:36 PM »
Gambatte, isn't judo kind of made for short people?  You seem really tall.

I have a tiny bit of a prejudice against judo right now because that's what hurt my shoulder.  (It had nothing to do with me being an idiot and falling improperly  :)   )
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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2008, 06:48:40 PM »
Yeah...He's a little taller, but not much. LOL
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Re: Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 06:22:15 PM »
Isais, accent? No.........  Is he tall like Isais? ;D

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Took my first Judo class......ouch!
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 06:12:43 PM »
Well...I went and took my first judo class yesterday....My back hurts today.  :'( LOL Anyway, the instructor said that I learn quite quickly and he see's me advancing quickly since I am taking semi private lessons at noon. When I say "semi-private", I mean that there is usually only like 2 other people in the class. My first day (yesterday) I learned 4 standing techniques; 1/2 hip throw, full hip throw, 1 sweep, 1 trip. I also learned one newaza (?) position on the ground. YAY ME! I'm excited even though my back hurts. The head instructor said that I know how to fall already. (he said that when he saw me get thrown the first time) He aksed if we did throws in our system(shudokan) I said "a few", and showed him elbow technique #1 with takedown, which IIRC is more like aikido than Judo. (bogirl?) He chuckled and said "Now I know why you tried to do your throws like you do. We can fix it." He has a super heavy Cuban accent, so he is hard to understand at times. He reminds me of my Sensei in Auburn Wa.  ;) (Bogirl, I'm sure you know who I mean)
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