Author Topic: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!  (Read 1376 times)

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2010, 02:45:15 AM »
I've just had a look at the video again. I'm a bit suprised that you take the view that you do or that that was the only comment you could make. I do agree that without any understanding of Aikido principles that a person could misunderstand what's going on.

Are you questioning  how effective the Art is ?

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2010, 04:12:58 PM »
Sorry! Excuse me for breathing


LOL. You may breathe, just dont sneeze my way with something I may have to catch.

(Sneeze=post=catch=attention)  :)

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2010, 12:42:54 PM »
Sorry! Excuse me for breathing

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2010, 07:40:51 PM »
Well, the thread is about SS and this particular video.

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2010, 06:23:30 PM »
Yeah maybe, I haven't seen the vid for a while i'll have to check it out again. I was speaking about my experience and Aikido on general

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2010, 12:39:53 PM »
Rickster,

Yes I agree it can look that way sometimes but if as Uke you don't go with the throws some of those locks etc can really do damage, I say that as quite a muscular (I train weights heavy like a chevy 3-4 times a week) guy who's mostly trained in a hard style for over 20 years but has also been thrown about by Aikido people half my size. In fact I had to give up Aikido at one time because of damage to my wrists and I'm used to breaking house bricks etc. within my MAs training.

I understand to go "with the flow".

Hapkido, Judo, Jiu Jitsu, are the same.

However, some of those defenses in the video, and many such, the attackers attack too linear and "robotical". And warrant to "fall down" in some cases, "unnecessary"

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2010, 05:24:00 AM »
Rickster,

Yes I agree it can look that way sometimes but if as Uke you don't go with the throws some of those locks etc can really do damage, I say that as quite a muscular (I train weights heavy like a chevy 3-4 times a week) guy who's mostly trained in a hard style for over 20 years but has also been thrown about by Aikido people half my size. In fact I had to give up Aikido at one time because of damage to my wrists and I'm used to breaking house bricks etc. within my MAs training.
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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2010, 03:19:49 AM »
I am at odds watching Aikido demonstrations. It appears that the attackers are too "willing" As for Steven, he is a tall man, so it would seem natural that he can take on all of those shorter people in the video.

I do like the footwork in Aikido

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2009, 06:54:15 PM »
Nice video. I really like it, even the slow motion parts. Thanks.
"What the caterpillar sees as the end of the world, the master sees as a butterfly."- Richard Bach

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2009, 01:42:02 AM »
OMG!
Black and white...

Are they more intense than today?
I feel the intensity even its an old video hehehe!
thanks for the link.

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2009, 04:35:27 AM »
Thanks Bluecrab,

Cool site! Yes I'll have to look into the knee aspect of it, although I now do a nearly all kicking style, I think the sensible move for the future would be to calm it down a bit.

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2009, 11:39:26 AM »
Cheers, Gi.

From what I understand, there's not much hapkido in the UK. There seems to be a fair amount of Japanese or Japanese-derived jujutsu, though.

Given that nearly all hapkido schools emphasize an extensive kicking repertoire (but not ours, as I mentioned), you probably would not find it kind to your knees.

But there are other elements of the art that can be hard on the knees if you have any problems. For example, our way of doing throws and takedowns focuses on using the body (energy coming from what the Koreans call the danjeon, or tanden in Japanese). To do this efficiently, you have to bend at the knees a lot in many techniques when throwing or taking down an opponent. I experience knee discomfort in training fairly frequently. But, I'm also older than the average student, so I'm dealing with the normal wear and tear on the knees that anybody at my age (55) probably experiences.

Anyway, I'm glad you found the info about our hapkido useful. And good luck with your rehab and ongoing training.

btw, if you're interested, here's a link to our Korean website. The English section has extensive information about both hapkido and kuhapdo (our sword art, which is entirely separate from our hapkido curriculum).

http://jungkikwan.com/

I'm heading to Korea for a week and a half of training in less than two weeks... and as usual, that little %$#@ Kim Jong Il is acting up just as we're about to go. It never fails.  >:(
"The Korean founder, Mr. Choi Yong Sul, said, 'When you are forty, you can get to know the primary skills.' This expresses how difficult hapkido training is." (http://jungkikwan.com)

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2009, 05:49:39 AM »
Bluecrab,

Thanks! I am in the UK and will have to see what's in the area when I'm ready. I'm really happy with the style I do now but following my recent surgery I am considering maybe doing an art that's not going to be as hard on my knee. Thanks again for the info.

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 10:36:35 AM »
Gi,

Our sytle of hapkido seems to me to be pretty similar to the "hard" styles of aikido.

We are a small kwan, only one dojang in Korea and fewer than ten in the States. Also, our style of hapkido differs significantly from most of modern hapkido, because we only do the techniques that Choi Yong Sul, the founder, taught the head of our kwan, Master Lim Hyun Su. Nearly all modern kwans can trace their lineage back to Master Ji Han Jae, an early student of Choi who, with a colleague, added the elaborate kicking repertoire to Choi's "yawara" base. Ji also added meditation and philosophy components to form the art he calls Sin Moo hapkido.

Ji calls himself the founder of hapkido, but to debate whether Ji or Choi is the founder of the art is to fall into a semantic abyss, because it depends on what one means by "hapkido".  ;)

Most people think of the elabortekicking when they think of hapkido, and that is generally accurate. But not in our style. We have ten basic kicks, nine of which are to targets below the waist. These are the basic kicks that Choi taught Master Lim. Choi taught that to kick high in a fight is dangerous, because it puts you off balance and makes you vulnerable to counters.

As far as I know, the only other kwan that teaches only what Choi taught (in other words, that has not added Ji's kicking, meditation, philosophy, etc. to its curriculum) is a group called the Yong Sul Kwan, led by Master Kim Yun Sang. Both Lim and Kim were 9th dans under Choi - two of the four he promoted to that rank during his life.

Many of our higher-level techniques strongly resemble corresponding Daito-ryu aikijujutsu techniques, which is why I believe (in spite of the ongoing absence of documentary evidence) that Choi did indeed learn Daito-ryu during the thirty or so years he spend in Japan before repatriating to Korea after WW2.

In fact, a number of the techniques in that Yoshinkan clip look a lot like some of our techniques. Not surprising, since they probably share a common source.

Hope this helps... please let me know if you'd like to know more.
"The Korean founder, Mr. Choi Yong Sul, said, 'When you are forty, you can get to know the primary skills.' This expresses how difficult hapkido training is." (http://jungkikwan.com)

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 05:58:19 AM »
Bluecrab - as I currently do a Korean style I'm interested in Hapkido. How do you fell it compares to the "harder" Aikido styles?

Thanks all - very informative.