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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2009, 06:54:15 PM »
Nice video. I really like it, even the slow motion parts. Thanks.
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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2009, 01:42:02 AM »
OMG!
Black and white...

Are they more intense than today?
I feel the intensity even its an old video hehehe!
thanks for the link.

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2009, 04:35:27 AM »
Thanks Bluecrab,

Cool site! Yes I'll have to look into the knee aspect of it, although I now do a nearly all kicking style, I think the sensible move for the future would be to calm it down a bit.

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2009, 11:39:26 AM »
Cheers, Gi.

From what I understand, there's not much hapkido in the UK. There seems to be a fair amount of Japanese or Japanese-derived jujutsu, though.

Given that nearly all hapkido schools emphasize an extensive kicking repertoire (but not ours, as I mentioned), you probably would not find it kind to your knees.

But there are other elements of the art that can be hard on the knees if you have any problems. For example, our way of doing throws and takedowns focuses on using the body (energy coming from what the Koreans call the danjeon, or tanden in Japanese). To do this efficiently, you have to bend at the knees a lot in many techniques when throwing or taking down an opponent. I experience knee discomfort in training fairly frequently. But, I'm also older than the average student, so I'm dealing with the normal wear and tear on the knees that anybody at my age (55) probably experiences.

Anyway, I'm glad you found the info about our hapkido useful. And good luck with your rehab and ongoing training.

btw, if you're interested, here's a link to our Korean website. The English section has extensive information about both hapkido and kuhapdo (our sword art, which is entirely separate from our hapkido curriculum).

http://jungkikwan.com/

I'm heading to Korea for a week and a half of training in less than two weeks... and as usual, that little %$#@ Kim Jong Il is acting up just as we're about to go. It never fails.  >:(
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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2009, 05:49:39 AM »
Bluecrab,

Thanks! I am in the UK and will have to see what's in the area when I'm ready. I'm really happy with the style I do now but following my recent surgery I am considering maybe doing an art that's not going to be as hard on my knee. Thanks again for the info.

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 10:36:35 AM »
Gi,

Our sytle of hapkido seems to me to be pretty similar to the "hard" styles of aikido.

We are a small kwan, only one dojang in Korea and fewer than ten in the States. Also, our style of hapkido differs significantly from most of modern hapkido, because we only do the techniques that Choi Yong Sul, the founder, taught the head of our kwan, Master Lim Hyun Su. Nearly all modern kwans can trace their lineage back to Master Ji Han Jae, an early student of Choi who, with a colleague, added the elaborate kicking repertoire to Choi's "yawara" base. Ji also added meditation and philosophy components to form the art he calls Sin Moo hapkido.

Ji calls himself the founder of hapkido, but to debate whether Ji or Choi is the founder of the art is to fall into a semantic abyss, because it depends on what one means by "hapkido".  ;)

Most people think of the elabortekicking when they think of hapkido, and that is generally accurate. But not in our style. We have ten basic kicks, nine of which are to targets below the waist. These are the basic kicks that Choi taught Master Lim. Choi taught that to kick high in a fight is dangerous, because it puts you off balance and makes you vulnerable to counters.

As far as I know, the only other kwan that teaches only what Choi taught (in other words, that has not added Ji's kicking, meditation, philosophy, etc. to its curriculum) is a group called the Yong Sul Kwan, led by Master Kim Yun Sang. Both Lim and Kim were 9th dans under Choi - two of the four he promoted to that rank during his life.

Many of our higher-level techniques strongly resemble corresponding Daito-ryu aikijujutsu techniques, which is why I believe (in spite of the ongoing absence of documentary evidence) that Choi did indeed learn Daito-ryu during the thirty or so years he spend in Japan before repatriating to Korea after WW2.

In fact, a number of the techniques in that Yoshinkan clip look a lot like some of our techniques. Not surprising, since they probably share a common source.

Hope this helps... please let me know if you'd like to know more.
"The Korean founder, Mr. Choi Yong Sul, said, 'When you are forty, you can get to know the primary skills.' This expresses how difficult hapkido training is." (http://jungkikwan.com)

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 05:58:19 AM »
Bluecrab - as I currently do a Korean style I'm interested in Hapkido. How do you fell it compares to the "harder" Aikido styles?

Thanks all - very informative.


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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2009, 10:55:00 AM »
Yes, Bluecrab is correct.  Yoshinkan is considered a hard style.  In class every technique starts with a strike and since my first art is Shudokan karate, that is something that I really like. 

Yoshinkan is very structured and each technique is taught on both left and right sides.  The U.S. is very lucky to have Amos Parker sensei from Houston, who at 8th Dan is the highest ranked non-japanese Yoshinkan practitioner.  Yoshinkan is a requirement for the Tokyo riot police.
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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 10:51:39 AM »
Tracy,

Those finishing techniques come straight from Daito-ryu. They symbolize a killing strike with a tanto. In Daito-ryu they're called "todome".
"The Korean founder, Mr. Choi Yong Sul, said, 'When you are forty, you can get to know the primary skills.' This expresses how difficult hapkido training is." (http://jungkikwan.com)

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2009, 10:07:45 AM »
I like the way Yoshinkan Aikido has finishing techniques.  The Aikido in the Segal video was great for showing throws & falls, but no finishing moves.

But then, as a Karate-ka, I'm rather partial to strikes.  Though we do some throws we usually finish with a strike.
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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2009, 09:20:32 AM »
Gi,

Yoshinkan aikido was started by Gozo Shioda in the 1950s. Shioda had trained directly under aikido's founder, Ueshiba Morihei, for 8 or 9 years before WW2. During that time Ueshiba was still teaching in a style that was much closer to his Daito-ryu roots than what his aikido evolved into after the war. So, Shioda learned a system that is closer to Daito-ryu than to much modern aikido in many respects.

That is a very nice video of Yoshinkan aikido. You can see a number of unaltered Daito-ryu techniques in it. I also see numerous technical similarities to our style of hapkido.

Generally, Yoshinkan and a couple of other styles, like Tomiki aikido and Nihon goshin aikido, are considered "harder" styles than the modern version of Ueshiba's style.
"The Korean founder, Mr. Choi Yong Sul, said, 'When you are forty, you can get to know the primary skills.' This expresses how difficult hapkido training is." (http://jungkikwan.com)

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2009, 06:47:38 AM »
Gambate-Yes I really enjoyed that. cheers! I studied Aikido for a while and intend on starting again when my knees better. How do you see the differences between Yoshinkan and other forms. As a TSD MDK man the brief insight that I've got now through the demo you posted is that it may be more of a practical form that I might be able to apply myself.

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 12:57:32 AM »
I love to see good aikido as well, but I must admit that I am partial to "Yoshinkan" aikido.  Here is a demo performed by a great Yoshinkan aikidoka by the name of Joe Thambu from Australia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaOXe_UsE4o

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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 11:26:24 PM »
You have to also appreciate the skills of the attackers.  Great breakfalls!
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Re: Cool Video of Steven Segal Kicking Real Life Butt!
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2009, 03:24:02 AM »
Cool! I love to see Aikido performed well.