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Offline bogirl

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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2010, 10:07:47 AM »
Thanks for the heads up.
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2010, 06:16:08 AM »
Hi guys:

A bit of a post script on this thread for those of you who are thinking of getting the DVD this week.

DON"T

I turns out that this weeks release is of the movie and blue ray versions only. The version with all the neat extras with the specials on how its made etc won't be out till around November.   Additionally,  there is talk of a rerelease in the theaters with around 40 minutes more film. That won't be on DVD until later also.

So, Again if all you want is the current release movie then go ahead and buy.  But If you're interested in getting the goodies that usually come with a DVD or and extended cut wait this one out.

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2010, 07:55:34 PM »
I just came back from the movie theater and it was simply amazing. Definitely worth the price of admission. It's sci fi with a heavily oriented fantasy elements. The 3-D and the motion capture was something to be seen to be believed. Yes, the story is a little derivative and predictable, but you kind of knew that going in. Definitely a must see in the big screen.
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 06:00:46 PM »
I agree NightOwl,  I know that Egypt lorded, and conquered all nations near it, and demanded tribute. Rome was no different, neither was England.  It seems that as soon as a country has it's feet under it, and becomes stable, that there is a temptation to start to feed off of other Countries. 
I can even  place Canada in that concept.  Many of our imports, such as bananas, coffee, tea, clothing, etc are brought in at unfair low prices.  Organized groups have started to work towards Fair trade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_trade

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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2010, 05:18:11 PM »
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Well historically speaking, wasnt there another certain country famous for doing the same thing well before and long after America declared itself independant?

Historically, I'm inclined to think that almost every land that I can think of with the ability has had an "imperial" phase.  Given each historical climate it seems that some countries were better at it than others and some came up against countries they couldn't handle when they pushed.  Just like on the school yard. Sometimes the bully doesn't look out for the quiet guy and thinks because he doesn't want a fight - he can't fight. - Another subtheme in the movie.

I wonder if the multinationals aren't going through a similar experience in their relations with nations and other multinationals.

It would explain a lot. Now there is an MBA theses for someone.  The Imperial Company and its parralels in the History of Nation Building or something to that affect.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2010, 04:58:24 PM »
The movie certainly criticizes the American tendency to invade other countries, to go to war without understanding other cultures, and to "negotiate" trades without any real concern for what the other side gets out of the negotiation.  It also obviously criticizes greed and exploitation of natural resources.

On the other hand, many of the story's true heroes and warriors are Americans.  Including those in the military.

The most interesting/inspiring thing to me is the theme of honor in warriorship.  Several characters choose not to do what they're told because they find it unethical, and they switch sides.

 

 
Well historically speaking, wasnt there another certain country famous for doing the same thing well before and long after America declared itself independant?
 What I liked about the film  District 9 was they made another Government or particularly a corporation based in another Government the exploitive/guilty party, namely South Africa, America caught a break for a change.


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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2010, 04:39:59 PM »
Hi Wax:

PM sent.

All things being said although I found some aspects of the Movie objectionable and sterotypical it wasn't a deal breaker.

 As both you and Supergroup pointed out there was much that was good About honor and right and the dangers of  focusing on  one goal to exclusion of all else.  Even the obligatory sex scene was handled tastefully and without a bunch of extraneous details.  I REALLY did enjoy it.  And as I said, will be adding a copy to my library when it is available.

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2010, 03:36:50 PM »
I'm with Super too.  :)   She always says smart things.

NightOwl, I didn't say I necessarily agree with the views presented in the movie, but I think there is definitely some criticism involved.

And remember that several of the movie's real good guys are the kind of good military people you describe.
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I agree with Super -- I even kind of admired the bad guys for their perserverence!
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2010, 02:59:29 PM »
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I found myself admiring the courage, and perseverence of ALL of the characters, even that of the main "Big Bad Guy".   

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more trying to reveal the inner blindness that can happen to anyone that becomes centered on only one goal.

Good points Supergroup.

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2010, 02:44:18 PM »
I enjoyed myself greatly in this movie. Although I didn't see it in 3D, I still was entranced by the fauna, and flora presented. 

I found myself admiring the courage, and perseverence of ALL of the characters, even that of the main "Big Bad Guy". 

I didn't think that it was trying to preach a message against any specific person, or country, but more trying to reveal the inner blindness that can happen to anyone that becomes centered on only one goal.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2010, 01:34:05 PM »
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The movie certainly criticizes the American tendency to invade other countries, to go to war without understanding other cultures

Hi Wax:   I suspect we are going to disagree on some of this. :(

I'm not saying we as a country are all sweetness and light or that we as a country have always done what is best for the other guy. Although it is human nature it is still wrong to do some of what has been done in the past. - Both internally and externally.-   I do believe that diplomacy can be vastly improved by having a better understanding of the culture, people and person that you are dealing with.

I do however believe that it is not always necessary to understand all of this or even to have an extensive analysis of these factors before going to war.  If a Bully, criminal or Some other person pulls a gun on you or suckerpunches you. You take him out of the game and then worry about his motivation.  If you know a bad guy is murdering and has murdered close to a million of his own people and he gives you the opportunity to put a stop to it what do you do?

Just because we have been wrong does not mean we will always be wrong.  Just because we are wrong does not mean that the other guy is right.  At this point the time for talking is over and the time for action is upon you.  Just as on a school yard sometimes little guys are the ones in the wrong and the big guy has to defend himself or even his interests or end up being everyones patsy.   Sometimes the big guy even breaks up fights amoung the little guys because he sees one bullying another.  And sometimes you've just sat on one undeserved tack too many. It is to me, much the same in the relations between nations.

What frustrates and angers me is the depiction that the majority of the Military are Rabid Baby Killers. They didn't tell you about the enemies own people strapping bombs to the babies and telling them to see the GI with Candy or about the nightmares the GIs had for years after for taking innocent life to protect himself and his mates.  They didn't tell you about people throwing their children in front of convoys to stop them so they could be ambushed and about the tears in the eyes of the soldiers who ran over those children to save the lives of their comrades.

They only told you about the evil baby killers.  During Vietnam the popular press wouldn't listen to that kind of talk because it disagreed with THEIR agenda.  That is what has amazed me about the current events that at least the majority aren't demonizing their own servents for doing what they must. Niether do they spit upon their returning soldiers as they did with Vietnam.

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 12:27:31 PM »
The movie certainly criticizes the American tendency to invade other countries, to go to war without understanding other cultures, and to "negotiate" trades without any real concern for what the other side gets out of the negotiation.  It also obviously criticizes greed and exploitation of natural resources.

On the other hand, many of the story's true heroes and warriors are Americans.  Including those in the military.

The most interesting/inspiring thing to me is the theme of honor in warriorship.  Several characters choose not to do what they're told because they find it unethical, and they switch sides.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 12:16:36 AM »
The Movie IS to me, very politicaly correct with all of the "proper" villains including the Department of Veterans' Affairs for not spending the money to put the "Hero" back together again in the first place.

On the other hand it really is a good movie with a good story line.   The Cgi is seemless and readily allows for the suspension of disbelief. 

I won't say who or who does not ultimately win (with hollywood you never can tell)  because I don't want to give it away.

I will say that when it comes out I'll be adding it to my collection too.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 10:32:16 PM »
It's corporate greed without regard for the environment and the lives of native people.

The only part that America really plays is that they use Marines as security forces/enforcers.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 05:40:05 PM »
I don't think so.  It is if you think being American means capitalism without any regard for morals or basic human decency.
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